Chaotic_Thetis
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Bleed me! For i have witnessed yet remained silent.Slay me! For i had your love and kept it.
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Post by Chaotic_Thetis on Apr 4, 2004 5:41:39 GMT -5
First off, this isn'y my theory but i do think it is an interesting one. Professor Nicolisi, like so many other psychologists and therapists belive that Homosexuality is a mental disorder. This was a common theory but had to be abandon in the early 1970's due to gay activists and what not. Part of his theory is that homosexuality isn't someothing someone is born with, he claims you are Not Born a homosexual. What in fact may cause homosexuality, and in this example we're taking a male yet it also applies to females as well, is that during a boys younger years his father may have been cold and harsh towards him. In so doing, the boy subconciously rejects his father, grows detatched from him but also causes him to detatch himself from his masculinity. He connects more with his mother than his father, femininity is more familiar than masculinity and as he grows he relates more to females than males. Like so many males they become a mystery to females and thus males become a mystery to him. And since he grows up more feminine, he desires and feels attracted towards the opposite sex, but in his mental state the opposite sex to him is the "male". Based on this "theory" Nicolisi claims that he can cure homosexuality and, infact there are five of these "conventions/talks" each year in the US where he claims to have cured several homosexuals.
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Post by T.J. Barber on Apr 4, 2004 11:55:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether this has any relevance but, this is a form of philosophy. Also, due to it's possible controversial appeal, I will say that all those who reply to this post, do so objectively and optomistically. We're currently in the midst of another problem and we certainly don't want another controversy.
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Post by John Barnett on Apr 5, 2004 15:45:04 GMT -5
That is quite an interesting theory, I have heard similar things said before, however, I have never heard of these conventions where homosexuals have been "cured". That's very fascinating. I love studying things like this and reading these types of articles because I am a Psychology major. These theories can often be ignorant, while at the same time intriguing.
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Post by X x K e l Z x X on Apr 5, 2004 19:04:17 GMT -5
Well I personally have several different ideas about this topic, however, I do think that this theory is a little off the wall. It doesn't have enough depth or supporting facts to back it up. Being homosexual or bisexual is far more deeper than some learned reaction in my opinion, it's not something that you just fall into, that's how I see it anyways. It's deeper and part of your very being.
Kelz
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Post by T.J. Barber on Apr 9, 2004 17:07:42 GMT -5
I agree with Kelly on this one. Homosexuality is a prefference. It's just another way of life. My theory is simple. No person is born gay. They simply go through something in life which causes homosexual attractions. An absent father or an absent mother. Uncontrollabe urges can also play a part. Gay lifestyle is just that, it's a lifestyle. It's not fused into that person from birth. They are born and then through something life has handed them, they are twisted in becoming a homosexual. Now, that said I do wish to point out that, this is only my theory. All the other theories represented here are just that. They're not debate questions nor trouble starters. This is only my honest opinion and if I have offended anyone in anyway, I would be glad to remove it. Thanks, Tj
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Post by KG on Apr 15, 2004 2:08:20 GMT -5
Well, I am not sure that you aren't born that way. From the way I write I give off the view that I am anti-homo or somethign like it...But, I had terrible parents, no real father figure, and a mother that supposedly loved me. I have never thought about being gay. However, my brother who has a very strong father figure and a loving mother is becoming more and more homo... So the idea that a weak father figure is what causes or may cause it I find hard to beleive.
However, after a little study I have found that 6-10% of all animal species are born homo...That is an interesting fact. Also Hyenas are born Bi-sexual in a sense. When they are born they, like all animals, have an accelerated growth rate when compared to humans. Their hormones are raging like any normal human teenager. Because of this they have intercourse with any gender they can get a hold of. I know alot of ppl view humans as animals and so this should be very logical to that group of ppl.
From another perspective, the Xtian view, gayness is considered a sin. Or rather the act of being homo is. I know that these recent events have started alot of talk about these same sex marriages and what it means to be gay, also if it is such a big deal anymore. I have posted this comment before and I'll prolly get flamed this time too...But, since when do we consider a sexual preference a racial minority? Why should our tax dollars go to a group of ppl that don't require that money? These things only seem to miss ppl and they go to find other drugs to numb the shock that their gay actions have caused. I am tired of hearing about how gay ppl aren't being treated properly, and how they need to have gay rights. Yeah well while we are at it lets make sure I am not being persecuted for being a heterosexuall white male. Where are my rights and free meal ticket?
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Post by KG on Apr 15, 2004 2:20:05 GMT -5
I am sry i kinda trailed away with that, lol.
What i was coming to was that from the Xtian view, It doesn't matter. Sin is every where you can't stop it, so start praying. From an American view, all this gay stuff is only going to make me have to pay more as far as taxes. I am against hand-outs of every kind. Wether racial, sexual, or even as simple as social security. I abhore it.
Here is what i purpose in reference to that whole thing.
If you are gay, good for you. More power to you. If you wanna get married, why? Marriage is a union under Jehova. A god by the way that hates gay ppl, reference soddom and gamorah. So why would you want to be married under a god that hates you? So I move that we allow civil unions. That is a union under the state. That way they can be united/married, get their tax dodge, and we can put that issue to rest. Being gay isn't a problem to me. It's trying to convert me like a Jehova Witness every saturday that is the problem. ( No offense to you JW out there, I am a satanist and dislike any organized religion) Let's stop trying to convert ppl and let it be just what it is. A life style that you have chosen to live. Feel free. That is the beauty of this country.
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Post by angel on Jun 22, 2004 16:56:00 GMT -5
that is very interesting, not sure if I believe in his theory or not, but I will definitely keep that in mind
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Post by haggardlilelf on Jun 30, 2004 19:00:09 GMT -5
I think that homosexuals can change their tastes. I say change their tastes instead of cured because I dont believe it is a mental disorder. I think some people are simply born with a liking of the same sex.
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Post by T.J. Barber on Jul 23, 2004 11:09:03 GMT -5
Well, my desire to disagree is based upon much of what Kemleth, a former member here has stated above. I as a member of an organized religion, under the supposed God who hates homosexuals, feel that the attraction to the same sex is an illusion of the harmonal balance.
You feel like you are attracted to someone so, you deem yourself a homo. I do not feel as if it is an illness, but I do think of it as a way to express a certain part of you which is confused. Certain parts of the human body do their own job. Therefore, when a part becomes confused, something eventually goes wrong somewhere. If your heart get's confused and stops beating, you eventually die...I feel as if the harmonal imbalance is strong enough, an illusion of the mind will cause you to think of yourself as a homo...that's my outlook on the entire thing.God Bless, Keep it real, Tj
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Post by Seth on Jul 25, 2004 2:07:21 GMT -5
I think at birth we aren't born anything. I mean seriously, at the age of seven, I didn't see the difference between color. I didn't know anything about rape, racism, drugs. Heck, I thought it was embarassing when my mom and dad kissed in front of my friends. I didn't even grow interested in guys until I was about 11 or 12. So, I think we aren't 'born' straight nor gay.
My parents have in their way, tried to be there for me and my siblings, but they weren't perfect, my dad abandoned my mom, brother and me when I was little, and my mom puts me down even when she seemingly doesn't mean to. And I do support homosexual relationships, just like I support inter-racial couples.
Anyway, though I understand many have their objections, I can see and understand from their perspectives, truly. That is why, I think it's unfair to label anti-gay groups as close-minded or prejudice, as it is to say homos are open-minded individuals because it isn't true.
My thoughts are, you can't count people in a group. You can't place them in different categories based on race, sexuality or sexual preference... Not all of us agree on everything, though we have lots in common. So yes, it's unfair to say all straight people are narrowminded. Or all gays are the same. It's untrue, we are all different and each of us has our own mind and our own likes and dislikes. So to divide us into gays, straights, blacks, whites, catholic, jewish....etc... Is unfair.
Once more this is MY opinion. I don't intend on correcting anyone, I see the world through my eyes alone, but with as much of an objective lens as I can possibly get. As I once heard from someone;
"To each their own."
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Oct 6, 2004 0:08:22 GMT -5
You may have a point there TJ, I can understand how a mind would warp to create its own little world. I mean, why not protect itself? That's human nature after all. I thikn you might be on to something. But, then it would be curable, right?
Also, I apologize, I didn't mean anything by the organized bit, open mouth insert foot and all that. I understand that my disappearence prolly didn't make you all too happy. But, maybe you would care to hear the story?
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Post by T.J. Barber on Oct 12, 2004 16:00:01 GMT -5
Hey buddy, no offense tkaen. We all have our own idiology. I also see what your saying. I guess in that way it could be cured. But, when the mind has went to far and that is all it knows....I feel as if it becomes fatal so to speak. I mean if you are firmly raised a certain way through life, no matter how hard you try to run from it you cannot escape it. I feel as if a person is raised to believe that they are a homosexual then they become one uncontrollably. I mean it has been proventhat 68% of all children subject to a homosexual parenthood or otherwise becomes gay themselves thinking it to be the norm. I feel as if our raising has a great deal with how we turn out...Also, I am certainly not crazy about an organized religion myself although I am a member of one. I serve God not the organization. Our organzation started out with a drive and a zeal to save souls and now it has become a money making giant that demands it's licensed members to hand out money for the right to preach. It's crazy.. Ok that's another topic for another day...
TJ
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Oct 15, 2004 17:32:26 GMT -5
ROFL, oh no your coming over to the dark side! lol. You know I would love to tackle that whole subject, but it might fuel a riot. It is good to see that we realy do have alot in common...
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Post by ::..::FoX::..:: on Oct 19, 2004 17:05:05 GMT -5
You and me both KG, lol! Riots can be fun, but usually cause more trouble than they are worth.
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