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Post by John Barnett on Oct 18, 2004 17:11:13 GMT -5
If you are of legal voting age, or if you aren't, here's your chance to cast you vote here on PC....just out of curiousity.
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Post by T.J. Barber on Oct 21, 2004 18:54:57 GMT -5
Bush made some mistakes but, I feel as if he led us to a great victory that we have fought for years to accomplish. I mean look at it...one war and God only knows how many smaller strikes have been launched towards Saddam Husane over the years and three presidents have served us. Now, this president comes in and totally finds the guy arrests him and ends his reign of terror. So, they didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, we all knew Saddams's intentions and we all know what he was planning to do. He would have struck us in a heart beat if we hadn't shown some back bone and retalliated after 9/11. It's true he's not perfect but, atleast he cares about the issues most important and that's civilian protection. That's my point of view on the whole thing.
TJ
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Post by ::..::FoX::..:: on Oct 22, 2004 16:10:40 GMT -5
BUSH. Kerry is a punk who needs to get knocked off the block. If he becomes our next president, I'm leaving the country again and I'll come back in four years when the people realize that Kerry is a jerk-off.
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Post by bloodredtears on Oct 22, 2004 16:36:52 GMT -5
i picked Kerry actually because I'm not fond of Bush...having people I love overseas fighting scares the crap out of me! I want our troops back in the states. Actually after I'd already submitted my vote for Kerry I noticed the last option, and I'd have to say that all the candidates suck and I think our government is going to blow ass no matter who gets elected!
I've already voted for it all though, since I had an absentee ballot!
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Oct 24, 2004 23:19:34 GMT -5
You do realize that your friends over seas are doing there job. They are ensuring that you have all the rights that you use on a daily basis. That you can sleep peacfully. That you can say what you want about whoever you want at anytime. You can eat what you want, go where you want, wear what you want, work where you want.
I know that you are prolly thinking that Saddam isn't a threat to our way of life. That we have no buisness being there in the first place. You may be right, if that's what your thinking. Or you may be wrong. Osama bin Laden wasn't a threat before 9/11. What would have been said if we went after him just because? Look at it that way for a second. We just removed a dictator that killed his own people (women and children) to test out new weapons. Builds command bunkers underneath homless shelters making them lawfull targets according to the Geneva COnvention. How is someone so destructive not to be considered a threat? Again it's one of those calls that had to be made before the chance of another 9/11 possibly took place.
(And on a quick note, the Saudis tried to hand us Osama on a silver platter, Clinton said no.)
You also might wanna take note that Kerry wants to hand us over to the Haag so that our soldiers can be tried for war crimes under their jurisdiction. If this happens Europe will have political power to control our servicemen. If we "step out of line" then I don't see why they wouldn't hesitate to begin killing off our troops. Seeing as how this whole oil for food thing is starting to come out, take note that France and Germany were in bed with Iraq. So of course they didn't want us going in there and refused to help. (We also weren't the first nation into Iraq. Australia beat us to it.) I am saying all this because your decision sounds like you are basing it on trying to help them out, not because I have a problem with Kerry, he and Bush both scare me, but atleast I understand where he is comin from.
I understand what you are feeling. I am in the military and watch my friends go do their job just like I wait my turn. And my wife will wave as I fly off to help my mates out. I understand that you have your feelings and that you can't help but feel the way you do. But try to see things on a larger scale. Try to see what paths you choose to make you feel good now, will do to you and possibly other people you love in the future.
I do close with this qoute (its kinda butchered):
"If you are not a liberal when you are young, then you have no heart. If you are not conservative when you are old, then you have no sense." - Winston Churchill
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Post by T.J. Barber on Nov 9, 2004 12:33:29 GMT -5
I safely agree with Kemleth....Bush made a decision to go to war based on the facts. Facts of weapons of mass destruction? NO. Based on the fact that Saddam would have blasted us to hell at the first sign of weakening. Bush knew from experience how this country would weaken by the 9/11 attacks and he also knew that Saddam was a tyrant and most often evil tyrants such as him strike the vessel at it's weakest moment. Look at Japan when they bombed Pearl Harbor. One of the largest mass murderings of US military and citizens in history and when was it hit? While everyone was still sleeping...Saddam would have gave us hell if we hadn't of struck back with a powerul vengeance. Bush made the decision to go to war yes. But, he did not make the decision to send those men and women over to Irag and Afghanistan. They did when they signed up for the military. The military is not a place where you might get sucked into a war. A person joins the military knowing that is there job and when it comes time to go to work then they must be willing to do it. How can one man affect millions of decisions and make those people go to the military to begin with...Bush is a morally ethical man that fears God in all ways and believes in the power of people and prayer and he knows when people combine thier prayers there is no greater power on earth. I believe that now that he was reelected he will run a smarter more economical war with many set boundaries and I also believe that he will ensure the safety of those millitary prisoners over there. I believe that now that Bush knows that the outstanding majority of his people are supporting his decisions, he will make this country a much better place....that is all I have to say...
ps..I am a very political man when it comes to discussions on foriegn policies and economics..plus, I just find it all fascinating...
Tj
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Post by bloodredtears on Dec 7, 2004 11:46:45 GMT -5
i know they're doing their jobs...it doesn't make me like it anymore to know that though...i hate the fact that people are dying for a cause that i don't believe in...i guess it just depends on what cause you're viewing it as...but i just see it as uneccessary death...meh...suppose its a "girly" opinion...i just don't want people to die...
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Post by _black phoenix_ on Dec 7, 2004 23:53:57 GMT -5
i have some very different opinions on bush, but i shall keep them to myself for now.
if i was living in america i wouldnt vote for bush or kerry.. picking "the lesser of two evils" isnt appealing to me. i dont know enough about nader to make a fair judgement.
is it possible to vote for someone other than those three? we have things set up differently in canada and i dont really pay attention to american politics all that much..
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Dec 9, 2004 22:31:24 GMT -5
By not voting for for the 2 main running candidates you are throwing your vote away. I know some people are suffering form PEST (Post Election Selection Trauma) and Canada is having a problem with illegal immigrants. All the liberals are booking it for Canada. lol
Luckily when it comes to us deciding our presidents foreign countries have no say. I would hate to have to listen to some socialist country blab on about how we are ruining our country.
So what if we are? It is our country, we can destroy it if we want. Just like smoking, they are my lungs I'll kill them if I want to. That is the beauty of the country, when we go we will all go free.
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Post by NeverMore on Dec 10, 2004 1:06:01 GMT -5
Free? Well, as a Canadian, I may not have a right to say much on the topic of your country, but as many of my closest friends are American, I will anyway *L*. Never mind that, I would just because I can. In a free country, gays would have equal rights. Yeah, I just thought about it, If I get going on all the differences between Canada and the US I would be here for weeks. But the Gay thing and the being fingerprinted and retnal scans entering your country. The very odd way your elections are run, the medical system, the welfare system. Somehow the US seems like a prison compared to Canada.
Being A god fearing man myself, I find it odd to be saying that the Christians run the US and they want to feed anyone who is not Christian to the wolves and even some who are.
And we really should leave the 9/11 stuff out of things. I see people discussing the war in relation to 9/11, one has nothing to do with the other. Oil and money have to do with the war, not freedom, not terror and certainly not security. If it were really about terror, they would be chasing Binladden, not religious fanatics with sling shots. Do not get me wrong, I think the people over there fighting are heros in thier own rights, I just think that the US should not be stealing other peoples toilets.
There is a lot to be said for differences, there is a lot to be said for any country. We could shoot each other down forever and get no where. What would be the point? The point is we are all human and all of us deserve the same as the others. Borders and politians should all be outlawed *S*
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Dec 11, 2004 17:44:55 GMT -5
That wasn't a dig against Canada, I don't know enough about your polotics to argue about them. That was a dig against the other countries that are against us for the money and the oil. That whole money for food thing is ugly. I wasn't meaning to single you guys out, I was trying to point out something we could both laugh at.
The Selfishness.
And gays having equall rights? You have a point, But this is where the problems with our president come out. And this is where you are stuck with choosing between the better of 2 evils. But we have a choice, nonetheless.
Unfortunatley the concept of freedom has become, "more free then them." But if the country has become this way it is our fault as Americans. We allowed it. This country is run by the people.
Now that I am done saying all that bullsh*t we can look at the fact that our votes only count for 18% of the electoral process. We have an elite electoral college to vote for us. Isn't that nice? And I love the fact that it is majority rules, in a democratic government, but minorities win all the time. We as Americans want "Big Brother". I just hope I am long gone before it happens.
And you know the whole if you don't like it leave? Well, we have seen that we will do it. So I guess I will be in that boat someday too.
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Post by NeverMore on Dec 12, 2004 7:45:05 GMT -5
If you look at things with a clear mind, you will find that we canadians are rather plain minded about our freedoms. I think even me coming out with what I did, is more a reation to what is happening around us. Your president was in our country last week and told us that we had to go fight in Iraq. Sorry, but if we were to fight evil as he called it, we would be fighting everyone including ourselves *L*
As for the gay issue, I have to agree with our courts from what they decided this last Thursday. As they put it, the issue is not gay or straight. The issue is human. All humans MUST be treated equal. Black, white, yellow, gay or straight and so on. Not really a discussion for poets though, poets love love, end of story *L*
As for the Bush's and the Binladden's of the world, it should be international law that they all join the WWF. *L* Fighting just causes fights, it solves nothing.
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Post by beginswithKendsinG on Dec 13, 2004 23:42:43 GMT -5
I agree with you. It all comes down to the humanity of it. Unfortunatley this is where we start seeing the problems when people bring their religous views to polotics. You have to make decisions based on the laws of a country, not the moral laws you live your life by.
When it comes down to it, there is nothing in our constitution that says homosexualls can't marry. So saying they can't is unconstitutional.
Hey about my president going over there. I am not gonna defend him. I know why he did it though. He is trying to appease the people around him by saying,"See I went to Canada!" I don't condone his actions on all levels. But at the same time Iraq is not becoming another Vietnam. Not a quagmire. But I don't see a problem with you guys as Canadians sittin this out, it isn't your war why should you get involoved? You knwo what I mean. We realy did go over there saying f*ck you to whoever stood in are way, but I want them to feel free to try and stop us.
BRT, that isn't a "girly" attitude. You feeling how you feel isn't bad. I don't like the idea of my friends going off. I would rather us all stay and live our happy lives out together. Sadly, they signed the contract that sent them there in the first place. I know they prolly joined because of the 911 thing, but the contract and the oath you swear is all too clear. My point was to be proud of them. Proud that they are doing what they have sworn to do. Proud that they are trying to do what they think is right for their friends and family.
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